戏剧·专访｜#世界戏剧日，在世界的舞台上找到属于自己的莎士比亚

戏剧·专访

莎士比亚

一个人的莎士比亚

 All World Is A Stage.

                                   ----William Shakespere

3月27日 世界戏剧日

自有戏剧以来，它的目的始终是反映人生，显示善恶的本来面目，给它的时代看看它自己演变发展的模型。

                                                       ——莎士比亚

莎士比亚的经典之作

经历几百年来无数次的演绎

成为了戏剧史上永不磨灭的篇章

直至今日莎翁的戏剧依然凭借其跨时代的张力

和独一无二的戏剧魅力

被众多演员、舞台所青睐

同样作为莎翁的“粉丝”

来自英国的演员约瑟夫·格雷夫斯

将以独角戏的形式

演绎“他”在老师的影响下

走近并逐渐认识莎翁的过程

约瑟夫被中国的粉丝亲切地称为“老舅”

在观演之前

相信大家一定也很好奇“老舅”

与莎翁之间的奇妙羁绊

因此，这篇专访一定会让

好奇“老舅”、好奇莎士比亚的你

浅浅窥探一番这部独角戏的剧情

与创作背后的故事

作为开演前的“开胃小菜”

·· “老舅”专访：独角戏背后的创作 ··

01

莎士比亚：

几百年代代相传的秘密

1.

在您看来，莎翁戏剧几百年来经久不衰的原因在于哪里？

Joe：The same themes, rituals, ideas and confusions, those aspects of our souls which humanity across all societal and cultural barriers share, those same searches for meaning and understanding are at the heart of Shakespeare’s greatest plays and poems. The questions, ideas and dreams he addresses—those which seek to give an understanding of, and bring meaning to, life –those searches which Shakespeare engages in through his work are as valid and relevant today as they were in his lifetime.   

“老舅”：莎翁所创作的戏剧与诗歌的核心，贯穿着同样的主题、信仰、思想与困惑，跨越了文化障碍、社会习俗，是对全人类所共有的对自我价值意义的探索。他在作品中所提出的面向梦想与人生、思维与意义的课题，在今天，依旧有与莎翁所处时代同种的跨时代的意义。

2.

在您看来，这部独角戏为何会吸引喜爱莎士比亚的观众？

Joe：For Shakespeare lovers who already have a passion for the works of the great writer, I think this play offers an intimate and powerful look into the kind of direct and personally revelatory impact Shakespeare’s play and the study of Shakespeare can have on people’s contemporary lives. For those who are unfamiliar with Shakespeare’s work, and may only know of him by name, this play, through its mixture of comedy & drama, (laughter & tears) offers a thoroughly engaging and very relatable introduction to the thrilling work of our greatest Western writer.   

“老舅”：对于已经熟知了这位伟大作家的作品的爱好者来说，我认为这部剧提供了一个独特的视角，揭示了莎士比亚戏剧和莎士比亚研究对人们当代生活和个人启示性的影响。对于那些不熟悉莎士比亚作品的人们而言，这部融合了笑点和泪水的作品，以引人入胜的表达，为他们打开了解西方最伟大的作家激动人心的作品。

02

约瑟夫·格雷夫斯：

与莎士比亚的相遇

1.

此次剧本是您多久创作出来的，您最钟情剧本里的哪段剧情呢？

“Joe”：In one way the script to many years to write, but in terms of actual time spent writing it took me about a week. I say this because the story is based, though often quite loosely so, on my actual early-life experiences with Shakespeare which I knew I would eventually share with an audience. So for decades the story bubbled in my mind, sometimes in the foreground, always in the background of my mind especially when I was working on one of Shakespeare’s plays which has been a large portion of my work in the theatre. So, I spent years seriously thinking about the piece. But when I finally decided how I wanted to tell the story, the actual writing of came very quickly.

“老舅”：在某种程度上，剧本要花上很多年的创作时间，但就实际写作时间而言，我只花了大约一周的时间。我这么说，是因为这个故事基于我早年在莎士比亚影响下的真实生活经历，尽管内容上零零散散，但我知道，我最终会与观众分享这些经历。因此，几十年来，这个故事一直在我的脑海中浮现。排演莎士比亚的其中一部戏剧一直是我在剧院的主要工作内容，特别是在这个过程中，这部独角戏的剧本总是在我脑中萦绕徘徊。总之，这部戏的剧本前期思考花了我很多年的时间。但当我最终决定如何讲述这个故事时，这部独角戏的实际写作其实很快就完成了。

2.

剧中有许多向莎士比亚致敬的段落。如果给您一段话的机会，您最想对莎士比亚说什么呢？

“Joe”：I would simply say to Shakespeare if I could met him: “Thank you, sir! No single other person in my life has had as profound, revelatory and ongoing impact on my life and my understanding of humanity, than you have had. And, all that I owe you, Mr. Shakespeare, is like a star, endless and shinning.”  

“老舅”：如果我能见到莎士比亚，我只想对他说：“谢谢您，先生！在我的生活中，没有一个人能像您那样对我的生活，和对我于人生的理解产生如此深刻、启示性和持续的影响。莎士比亚先生，我把我的成就归功于您，就像一颗星星，无穷无尽，闪闪发光。”

3.

剧中小男孩接触莎士比亚的经历，跟您是否有些类似呢？

“Joe”：Yes, in many ways because the story is based on my earliest encounters with Shakespeare.

“老舅”：是的，基于我与我早年与莎士比亚的相遇，剧中男孩有很多与我经历相似的地方。

4.

您第一次接触莎士比亚是什么场景呢？当时是出于好奇，还是被动的接收？

“Joe”：Shakespeare took me by surprise. I was too young to be curious, but simultaneous too deeply affected by his work, and my relationship with those who loved him already to escape his poetic clutches. I did not seek him out, I did not know who he was -- but rather I caught the good infection of the grand disease of Shakespeare at a very young age. Happily, I have never recovered.

“老舅”：莎士比亚偶然地闯入了我的生活，当时我太年轻，并没有过多的好奇。但我始终被他的作品影响着，被爱着他的作品的人影响着。我既没有主动去追寻他，当时甚至也不认识他是谁——但我在很小的时候就染上了“莎翁热”，令人高兴的是，这种症状至今未愈。

03

莎翁主题的独角戏：

剧场中的探索与尝试

1.

一直以来，您都是一人出演这出戏。您有想过将其改成多人的话剧形式来进行演绎吗？

“Joe”：I have thought about telling this story in other fashions, I think it could work as a stage play with multiple actors or even as a film, but perhaps the intimacy, and child-like theatricality of it would be lessened, even lost, if it were performed in other ways.

“老舅”：我曾想过用其他方式讲述这个故事，我认为它可以作为一部由多个演员主演的舞台剧，甚至可以作为电影来演。但如果用其他方式表演，但如果用其他方式表演，戏剧的共情力和戏剧性将会有所减弱。

2.

您认为独角戏这个剧种未来的发展如何？是艰难的，还是蓬勃的？

“Joe”：Monologues, one person shows, both comedic and dramatic have been a highly regarded theatrical form for many years and I think that will continue for many years to come and continue to expand. I have written several such shows, and am writing another now, but for an actress rather than an actor. I had much success in America with a one-person show called AN ILIAD, based on Homer’s poem, The Iliad. I did not write that piece, but performed it several hundred times. In it, I fought the Trojan War on stage alone. So, if one as a writer can envision things cleverly enough, almost anything can be tuned into a one-person show. And what such theatre pieces may lack in terms of scale and spectacle, they often more than make up for in terms of intimacy and direct connection and communication with audiences.

“老舅”：独白、独角戏，无论是喜剧还是戏剧，多年来一直是一种备受推崇的戏剧形式，我认为这种形式将在未来继续扩大下去。我已经写了好几个这样的剧目。在美国，我以荷马史诗《伊利亚特》为蓝本，创作了一场《伊利亚特的故事》独角戏，取得了很大成功。我已经在《一个人的莎士比亚》的舞台上一个人“作战”了几百次，都十分成功。我相信一个好的作家能将生活中的任何事情改编成一部独角戏，虽然可能在规模和形式上不那么宏大，但在戏剧表现力和与观众共情方面，独角戏是独一无二的。

3.

您此次来上海宛平剧院演出，有什么特别的地方吗？

“Joe”：I love performing at the Wanping theatre because it combines the comfort of a large theatre with the acoustic intimacy of a small venue. It offers a great communal shared experience for it audiences and an ideal setting for a show like REVEL’S WORLD OF SHAKESPEARE to be enjoyed by theatre lovers.

“老舅”：我很期待在宛平剧院的演出，它兼顾了大剧院的舒适感与声学传达，为观众提供了一种很棒的演员与观众的共享体验，也是戏剧爱好者欣赏《REVEL’S WORLD OF SHAKESPEARE》等演出剧目的理想场所。

4.

对比这出剧的创作前后，您对莎士比亚的作品有哪些新的理解？

“Joe”：Shakespeare’s works continue to reveal themselves to me the more I work on them. Part of that continuing revelation happens because of life experience as well a theatre experience. I performed in a Shakespeare play the first time when I was 8 or 9 in school. I performed first professionally in a Shakespeare play in my late teens. I have worked on all of Shakespeare’s many of them multiple times, as either a director or an actor, or on occasions as both at the same time. Of course, I have performed dozens and dozens of other kinds of plays as well: comedies, dramas, classical, contemporary, experimental, environmental, immersive, musicals and operas. All of these plays have been enriched by my work on Shakespeare’s plays and conversely, my understanding of Shakespeare’s work has been deepened by my work on these other kinds of plays. Then just living life, the pathways and surprises, good and bad, which life brings, continue to inflect and inform my understanding of, and work on, Shakespeare’s plays. The best of his plays prove an endless trove of theatrical treasure to be uncovered and shared, if one stays the long journey with them and remains always open and willing to explore.          

“老舅”：

我对莎士比亚作品的研究越多，它们就会不断给我新的启示。这种持续的启示来源于生活经历和戏剧经历。我第一次表演莎士比亚戏剧是在我8、9岁上学的时候，十几岁的时候，我首次专业地演出了莎士比亚的作品。我曾多次作为导演或演员，参加莎士比亚的所有作品的创作。当然，我也表演过几十种其他类型的戏剧：喜剧、戏剧、古典剧、当代剧、实验性戏剧、沉浸式戏剧，还有音乐剧和歌剧等。我对莎士比亚戏剧的研究为这些戏剧增加了内涵，相对的，我对莎士比亚作品的理解也因我对其他类型戏剧的研究而加深。

其次，活中带来的际遇和惊喜，无论好坏，都深入影响着我对莎士比亚戏剧的理解和创作。如果一个人始终保持探索的心态来深入挖掘莎翁的作品，经过时间的考验，就会发现莎士比亚的戏剧如同一个无尽的宝藏，值得一直被探索、被发扬。

4月21日

“老舅”的重头戏即将与观众们见面

那么，就让我们怀着对伟大诗人的敬意

与“老舅”一起，携手走入莎士比亚的世界吧

演出时间

2024年4月21日

19:15

演出地点

上海宛平剧院·大剧场

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380/280/180/100元

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